BuLba: I think the game went the way of
who had the better drafts. The first game I think we out picked them
and the next 3 games I think they had a combination of better picks
and play. But Sigma definitely has a better grasp of the game than us
at the moment and they have some strong players.
GIH: Interesting - I noticed that your
comment at the end of MLG was also about drafts. I think there you
said the entire tournament had been about the drafts. Do you think
the current patch puts more emphasis on drafts in general? Is it
harder to win with a weaker draft than it used to be?
BuLba: I do think the current patch has
a huge emphasis on drafts. Even more so than the old one. If you have
a weak draft that the enemy can abuse early on, they just snowball
faster with the new gold increase and it's hard to stage comebacks
unless you have Elder Titan or a hero that can win u team fights even
with a gold deficit.
GIH: Is there anything in particular
that your team does to make an extra effort to have better drafts,
then? Do you plan a lot of drafts in advance - or specific picks to
beat other specific picks? Surely if drafting is becoming more
important, it should be prioritized more as a team. Does your team
draft together or does TC do most of it on his own?
BuLba: We do it together. The
responsibility is not solely on TC. We have a mixture of ideas
sometimes though and I think that hurts us. But we are all learning
the game as we go. We obviously still have a long way to go. Better
picks will come while we gain a better understanding of the game.
Also we have to work on our execution. Its been pretty poor and we
just are lacking a lot of synergy lately.
GIH: I'm glad you used the word
'lately' here because I want to press you a bit on that. What's
changed? A few months ago Liquid looked like one of the top teams to
beat, easily a top contender for strongest team in the West. It does
feel like you guys are going through a bit of a slump, lately. I know
sometimes it's very hard to diagnose exactly what's going on - but if
you have any insights at all into what's changed for you guys lately,
I'd be very interested to hear.
BuLba: Well once the new patch came
out we just had no idea what to do. We had a general playstyle on the
old patch and we knew what to do but there was a lot of chaos and I
guess we were slow in adapting. Its still hard to find an answer to
this because we still aren't as good as we can be. I guess we just
have to practice more as a team and build ourselves up and learn
along the way
GIH: Well, I think it's definitely an
important test for any pro team to see how they deal with not doing
as well as they know they can do. I'm sure you guys can find your old
form though if you keep working hard. Best of luck with that!
On the subject of form, I have a more
specific question about your recent form. In the semi-finals of the
Dota 2 Champions League, you lost 3-0 against Alliance. It seems that
your team has a very big Alliance problem at the moment. Of the 8
matches you have played versus them since TI3, you've won 1, drawn 1
and lost 6. In terms of games the score is 3-13.
Compare this to your record versus some
other teams since TI3 and you notice something interesting. You've
also played 8 matches versus Na'Vi and Fnatic since TI3. Against
Na'Vi, you've won 3 and lost 5. 8-10 on game score. Against Fnatic,
you're 4-4 and 7-7 on games.
It's interesting to me that you are
achieving especially bad results versus Alliance since TI3 given that
post-TI3 Alliance are/were clearly the 'team to beat'. Which is to
say, I'd have expected all the top teams to study Alliance more than
anybody else at that point and thus improve their results against
them. What do you think the problem is here? Why has your team
struggled so much to beat Alliance in particular?
BuLba: Hmm I don't know what we can get
from the Alliance games. To be honest most of the games versus them
we play poorly and they play well. I guess we draft and value similar
heroes to each other and they out execute us? I don't know for sure.
We definitely have had some rough games versus them though and they
are still a strong team that can take a mistake and capitalize on it.
And it isn't really people studying Alliance that is making them lose
games lately. I think more so it's their similar struggle with the
patch and what heroes got nerfed as well as how the pull system got
changed.
GIH: Okay, interesting. As an outsider,
it's easy for me to read significance into things that don't have any
or don't have as much - so it's very useful to hear your thoughts
here. You don't worry more about matches vs Alliance at the moment,
then?
BuLba: No. I don't think any pro team
should worry about matches. You should be confident regardless of who
you play but again that's better said than done. There are definite
times where you play worse because you play a certain team because
you fear them. It's better to focus on your own play and the mistakes
you made regardless of the enemy team.
GIH: Okay, that sounds like good
advice.
Moving, away from questions about your team, Speed Gaming, a team that seems to have adjusted quite quickly to the new patch, are currently competing in China in G-League.
Moving, away from questions about your team, Speed Gaming, a team that seems to have adjusted quite quickly to the new patch, are currently competing in China in G-League.
In a year where Alliance went to China
and won G-1 league, Na'Vi went to China and won the Alienware Cup, DK
travelled to the US and narrowly missed winning MLG, and VG conquered
EMS in Europe, it would seem there is a trend developing of teams
achieving big results away from home. Are these teams doing well
despite being away from their comfort zones or in part because of
this? Or does it make no difference at all?
[Speed Gaming have since been eliminated from G-league ending in 5th place.]
[Speed Gaming have since been eliminated from G-league ending in 5th place.]
BuLba: I don't think it
matters. Those teams were all the best in the respective patch at the
time. Alliance were the best team during G-1 and Na'Vi just adapted
the best to the Chinese playstyle at Alienware Cup. VG also played
way better than everyone at EMS. Maybe it's cause they feel they have
something to prove and are confident going into it.
GIH: That's an interesting suggestion. Some sports teams are said to perform better away from home because they feel less expectations to impress fans and thus focus more on their game without being so nervous - I suppose Dota might not be quite there yet in terms of 'home' and 'away' fans . . ?
GIH: That's an interesting suggestion. Some sports teams are said to perform better away from home because they feel less expectations to impress fans and thus focus more on their game without being so nervous - I suppose Dota might not be quite there yet in terms of 'home' and 'away' fans . . ?
BuLba: I doubt it, if anything the G-1
crowd was rooting for Loda more than the Chinese teams lol. And
Alienware cup was online. I just think Both Alliance and Na'vi were
way better than the Chinese teams before TI3 and the Chinese teams
are better than the western teams at the moment. Speed told me their
scrims vs the Chinese teams are crazy hard and China feels way more
'do shit' in the current patch.
GIH: Okay, that's very interesting -
after losing TI3 to the West, the East is fighting back!
On a related note, in pro Dota, people
have always talked of 'the East' and 'the West' but this usually just
means China and everybody else. Given the size of the community,
number of competitive teams and available existing infrastructure,
it's perhaps a bit surprising that North America has never really
been able to force a shift in the dominant discourse to one which
discusses 'Europe, North America and China'. Why do you think this
is? Will North America ever have enough tier 1 teams to justify
speaking meaningfully about the scene separately to just 'the West'?
BuLba: Well to be fair, the American
community is smaller than Europe and China by far. And the
infrastructure from Dota 1 was non existent in North America also.
Both Europe and China had infrastructure from Dota 1 while America
had a few players. There's just a lack of good players that can
commit to a schedule in NA. Playing scrims usually means playing vs
European teams and that happens quite early in the day making it hard
to both go to work and go to school. Also the way the American
economy works makes it hard for you to just go all in on some dream
of becoming a Dota pro gamer. Mainly because most of the competitive
Dota games are early in the day so you have to be a full-time Dota
player and that's just not liveable at the moment in the US except
for a few players. MLG is trying to build up a base but there was
never another organization that tried that was NA based to focus
entirely on NA teams that also gave a big prize pool. I mean most
sponsors want to see a lot of viewers on their streams and its hard
to get that from American teams besides Liquid or EG.
GIH: Fair enough. I know it's a problem
for all aspiring pro Dota players having to work out a way to pay the
rent before such time as they do achieve sponsored salary etc. I
didn't, however, realize what a factor timezones would play for North
Americans, in this regard. It makes a lot of sense, now that you say
it, that having to play during the day means it's a lot harder for
you to ease your way into being a pro Dota player while doing, say,
part-time work. That said, do you think that, in time, the industry
will grow in North America to the point that it becomes easier for
Americans to commit to Dota?
BuLba: Yea exactly, this past year was
really damn busy for me because I juggled both Dota and school . I
had days where I'd go for 12 hours straight with no break having to
go to class at 7 AM and then being done with matches or scrims by
like 8 PM. As for your second question, that eHug team came out of
nowhere and is giving a team of 5 Inhouse League American players a
contract that most pro teams can't afford. I guess you can say it was
an e-miracle. Wish the best of luck to them. I'm good friends with
the players in the team. The industry on the other hand is entirely
MLG at the moment for NA. With their upcoming plans for NA next year,
it should be cool but keep in mind that it definitely wont allow any
NA players to play full-time that aren't at the moment.
It's very rare for a new player to come
out of nowhere and make his imprint on the scene. Arteezy proved
himself at MLG but he had experience playing competitive and had his
connections to get a spot on Kaipi in the first place.
GIH: Right, thanks for these insights. If it's any small consolation to you, those outside of the US have to literally invert their days and nights in order to follow The International. But I guess that is only once a year.
GIH: Right, thanks for these insights. If it's any small consolation to you, those outside of the US have to literally invert their days and nights in order to follow The International. But I guess that is only once a year.
Anyway, you've linked very neatly to my
next question. What is your relationship with Arteezy and MSS? It
seems like new talent in the NA scene is always heralded in by you.
Is there anyone up-and-coming that we should be looking out for?
BuLba: I knew Arteezy a bit before TI2
but I started playing with him a lot after I came back. There was an
IHL called NA-DL at the time and he was a regular there. I used to
play occasionally and obsed a few games and saw that he had very
strong laning. He then messaged me one day and asked me if I wanted
to 1v1 practice and I said sure. We played quite a bit at the time
since I wasn't on a team and just went to class.
At first he was pretty good and you could see he knew what to do but he had a lot of work to do. He was a classic pub stomper but over the next few weeks and months, he improved exponentially. At the time (not now) he had a small ego and was willing to learn and get better and often asked Envy and I to criticize his play. Another reason he improved a lot was confidence I think. He gained a lot of confidence in himself and his capabilities. I started trolling him as well as hyping him up on that show MAAD because he would get embarrassed and it eventually became a meme.
At first he was pretty good and you could see he knew what to do but he had a lot of work to do. He was a classic pub stomper but over the next few weeks and months, he improved exponentially. At the time (not now) he had a small ego and was willing to learn and get better and often asked Envy and I to criticize his play. Another reason he improved a lot was confidence I think. He gained a lot of confidence in himself and his capabilities. I started trolling him as well as hyping him up on that show MAAD because he would get embarrassed and it eventually became a meme.
MSS was another pub player that I
thought was good and asked to ring for our match because ixmike had
an exam and he played Rubick and owned. He got a lot of praise off
ringing for us. As for upcoming talent, I'd say Zai has
a lot of potential even if he isn't American. He plays mostly with
American players. As for specifically American, I think Mason is
pretty good but he has a long ways to go if he wants to play on a
team. Maybe RyuUboruZ at some times.
GIH: Okay, I'm sure that's more than
enough people for us to look out for - and thanks for such a detailed
answer! This next question is probably the one question I am most
interested in knowing the answer to, even if it turns out to not be
that interesting.
You are well known as one of the most
creative innovators the pro Dota scene has ever had. Firstly, thanks!
Secondly, is there a creative process you deliberately or consciously
follow? Where do your new ideas come from?
BuLba: I don't think I have a conscious
creative process per se. I just pick random stuff in pubs or Inhouse
Leagues and test them out. Then if I think something is fun or cool I
play it a bunch. That's kind of where the 0-4-4 ET build came from as
well as Tinker going march.
GIH: So just, you know, science. Cool.
So then, what's your favourite hero that you don't get to play in
official matches at the moment?
BuLba: Probably Tinker or Disruptor.
They are so fun to play.
GIH: Do you think Disruptor has
potential in the mid lane since it got a pretty huge Aghanims Scepter
effect?
BuLba: Yes I think it's cool but
farming an Aghs on that hero takes so long - you need to snowball
usually. But The hero has a pretty amazing skillset and I love it
mid.
GIH: Would you ever buy a Midas on it?
What do you think of the whole Midas Gaming trend? Will the extra 150
gold be the end of it?
BuLba: Uhh I guess if the circumstance
arises - probably not in real games. And I disliked Midas overall so
. . . I understand why people got it but it made games so damn
boring and slow. As for the 150 gold, I'm sure the people going it in
pubs will keep going it.
GIH: Haha, yeah, pubbers need more
convincing than professionals, sometimes.
A trend that is more recent than Midas
is Bristleback, which has seen an enormous rise in popularity [albeit
more so in China] in the last month. Do you think this hero is
legitimately first-pick material or is it being over-valued because
it's trending at the moment?
BuLba: It's a strong hero. He has his
counters though but if the hero does well early on, he's a pain to
deal with. His damage is just so high and he's so damn tanky.
GIH: When I interviewed bOne7, he also mentioned that if Bristleback does well early on then it becomes pretty insane. If a good early game is such a big deal for the hero, why is it mostly being picked as an offlaner?
GIH: When I interviewed bOne7, he also mentioned that if Bristleback does well early on then it becomes pretty insane. If a good early game is such a big deal for the hero, why is it mostly being picked as an offlaner?
BuLba: Well early game meaning 10-20
minutes, not just laning phase. He needs few items and he is so
tanky.
GIH: Okay, fair enough. Last question.
Recently you've tweeted a lot of praise for Fy, most notably that:
fys like the best player in china
— Sam (@LiquidBuLba) December 5, 2013
Is there anything in particular you are
impressed with when it comes to Fy? Have you learnt anything from
watching him play?
BuLba: He has amazing movement and game
sense. He has a similar playstyle to Chuan if you compare.
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